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[I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #274777] So, 28 Mai 2006 10:54
Cliff  
Nanny Ogg's Etiquette will be found in _Nanny Ogg's
Cookbook_, Terry Pratchett, Stephan Briggs, Tina Hannan, and
Paul Kidby (Doubleday, 1999), pp. 103ff



Three months Wandering through Okefenokee, what Seminoles
called "Land of Trembling Earth" (Discworldy - the land
trembled in _The Last Continent_; trembling in both places
related to groundwater), I saw a lot of things that would be
fun to write about.

Grepping, gawking and strepping through afp headers
suggested to me that afpers might want to exchange ideas on
Etiquette

And Allelopathy[0] (poisoning of innocent victim plants by
big bully plants. Discworld book mentions tactics used by
the Beech Tree Family (included Oak), suggesting Beech might
better be named Borgia. Any good gardening book will remind
you not to plant lettuce where you just harvested celery.
The wicked celery will poison the lettuce *Through
Time*[1].)

And Ignorance - a toned down rant against Contempt of
Ignorance

With shrews, chocolate, water moccasins (NOT a kind of
footwear), granddaughter, ponies (desirability of grandpa
(that's me) not being one), a groundhog, Anthropocentrism,
Floratocentrism, Chalcocentrism, The Two-By-Four (2X4) Fold
Way, photons, yuckons, sense and nonsense;

and NO SPOILERS (I think)

and no imping (grafting feathers onto falcons)

nor anything offensive (i.e., no anglophobia, no
ameriphobia, no francophobia, no amerindiphobia, no
slavophobia, nor nemophobia. (Are any of these real words?))
nor derogatory.

Can such a post be written? I'm not certain. I think it may
be fun to try.

[/intro]

[Shifting topic a little]

Trouble with etiquette is the sneaky way its meaning changes
from nation to nation. It's not one thing, but a system of
ritual actions specified by tradition or Ms. Vanderbilt.
Let's abstract the word "etiquette" to mean a whole set of
rites.

So we need Standards of Epitome (Very Best Ideal),
Penultimate (As Good as possible for real humans) and Very
worst Nader Etiquettes.

[Very Best, Ideal Etiquette]

As the Epitome of Etiquette,
I suggest a little girl's tea party before her human
playmates arrive. [2]

The girl and her dolls surround a short legged table in the
backyard.
She's really too young to like tea, so those thermoses are
filled with hot chocolate, made from real cream. Observation
[3] reveals that in Little Girl Tea Party With No Guests
Yet Etiquette, which we will abbreviate LGHCPWNPYE for
simplicity,
a properly prepared cup of hot chocolate is not just poured
but constructed.

She pours steaming hot chocolate into the cup, covers the
liquid with small marshmallows so the heat of the liquid
will melt the marshmallows like the cheese is melted over
french onion soup.

On the foundation of melted marshmallows, she constructs a
pyramid of Whipped cream into which she inserts orange
wedges, orange wedges, blueberries, and other berries.
This girl has no great love for nuts (except her grandpa),
so peanuts, walnuts and pecans are in little bowls on the
table.

Graciously, she constructs each cup of hot chocolate which
is passed around the table putatively by the dolls. The tea
party continues perfect etiquette and elegance.

That, I suggest, is the Epitome of E.

[Penultimate Etiquette}

When her human playmates arrive etiquette will suffer for
other people have their own ideas, and always want to
rewrite their part of the script.

Still the Penultimate standard for Etiquette I suggest is
the Little Girl Tea Party With Live Guests Etiquette
(LGHCPWLGE for short).

OK so far?


[digression - because the Nader Etiquette is revolting]

In twilight (morning or evening) tiny animals examined us
suspiciously, but we could not usually see them. The most
interesting was smaller than my big toe (men's' size 13
[4]). I think they were short-tailed shrews (Barina
carolinensis)[5] the shrews with the poisonous tongues.
Others disagreed. (Indeed, identification without trapping
or killing cannot be certain)

The shrews would show themselves if we tossed a cookie into
the sort of place from which they liked to spy, which was a
cluster of bush, reeds, grass and debris near the trunk of
tree.

They'd never show themselves closer than about 15 feet (5
meters). Beyond 20 feet (7 meters) we'd be unable to see
them in the dim light.

Oreo cookies, screwed or unscrewed[6], worked best to bring
the beast out[7].

Any quick turn or sudden movement would cause the shrew to
vanish[4x2].

If we moved, or turned slowly, however, the shrew would give
us a good cussin. (Real cussin is not cursing or swearing
with euphemisms, but more devastating. In real cussin, the
Lord is never taken in vain, even euphemistically. For
example, Darn is not used instead of damn because that
preempts the Divine power of judgment. Nor are bodily
functions or orifices referenced.) Fortunately, we could not
hear the pitch of the shrew or we would have experienced a
verbal manslaughter as devastating as the Kentish mating
ritual.

(Kentish mating ritual was observed several times by me
during a visit to Kent (a county of England). It may occur
elsewhere in England. It consists of a young lady cussing a
young man "to a farethewell" for many minutes while the
young man hopelessly tries to get in a word. I could tell it
was a mating rite, because a young lady will never spend
that much on a man she cared not for. And the young man's
eyes would rise for a time above her shoulders to her face;
showing honest lust and true affection, which is real love.
His gaze did not fix on her eyes (that is favorite ploy of a
damn Romeo), nor remain roaming below her chin (the sign of
good old honest lust. There's nothing wrong with lust,
nothing immoral about sating it. It's not a good sole
foundation for a marriage). The love besotted young man's
gaze takes in eyes as well as the rest. (In ruder places
like America or Canada, or in England in England's barbaric
past (as documented by P.G.Wodehouse) the young man would
have waggled the young lady about a bit and not too gently
and answered her cussin with kissing.)

Kissing trumps cussin unless she runs away. Wouldn't work
with the shrews, though. They might catch something
dreadful.

Still, having watched these little shrews I have come to
doubt (gasp!) Shakespeare's method: that is no way to tame a
shrew.

[/digression- because the Nader Etiquette is revolting]


[Nader Etiquette - this is revolting]

Water moccasin (Agkistrodon piscivorus) Does Not look like
those low-topped slippers called moccasins. She looks like a
real moccasin as would have been worn by Choctaw or Chippewa
Amerindians who had to protect the leg up to the knee. A
tube of skin from the leg of a deer, forest buffalo, or
similar, peeled not slit, tanned, molded. These moccasins
will have openings only at two ends. Toe end is carefully
and thoroughly closed. Knee end is tied snug. So no insects
can get inside. Vipers won't strike higher than calf.

Water moccasin laying in the water just an inch off shore
looks exactly like such footwear casually discarded (ugh,
disgusting litter just as The Commander litters the
countryside with paper).

Opossum [10] (Didelphis virginiana pigna) comes too close.
The snake strikes. A large animal, such as an adult human,
would take a long time to die. These days first aid followed
by medical care prevents death in almost all cases. Still,
it hurts. But opossum just twitches a few times and expires.
Why?

(The Last Continent contains many such caterers to the wild.
Spider kills Road Gang Leader, and soon, very soon, many
insects and arachnids, i.e. spider food, will arrive.)

Opossum was no threat to snake. Water moccasins can't eat
opossum. Opossum are too big. Like all animals, water
moccasins eat what they can. So, due to the way their mouths
and digestive tracts are made, water moccasins eat insects,
frogs, worms, spiders, etc.; not full grown opossums.

Look in thy mind's eyes, before the opossum has ceased
twitching, see the banqueters arriving: Beetles, ants,
worms, mice, other kind of mice, third kind of mice, rat,
smaller snakes...

The etiquette could be called Eat And Try Not To Get Eaten
Etiquette (ETNTGEE).

Water moccasins slithers out of the water around the dead
opossum eating what water moccasins eat.

Cawing crow lands, ready to fly if the snake looks her way,
safe from anything else.

Like a house cat swiping a paw in a fish tank, the paw of
Miss Bobcat snags that strutting crow. That's all we see of
Miss Bobcat. You'll never see more of Miss Bobcat than Miss
Bobcat intends to show.

(This is even funnier when you realize bobcats are the
meanest animals on Earth, except for some humans.)


The water moccasin banquet etiquette, WMBE, is suggested as
Nader Standard.

[/Nader Etiquette - that was revolting]


Breeches of etiquette are called bad manners (a subject
Nanny explains in some depth). Breaches of customary
behavior are also called bad manners. How is the guest from
outside the culture to know?

Well, at some functions, they give you a little ear piece
from which step by step instructions like "use the little
hooked thing to keep that wriggling bit of gristle from
escaping" come from your etiquette coach, while
simultaneously translators are translating the keynote
speakers' speeches, and your wife is reminding you she needs
diapers for the grandson. Some guests get seductive, sultry
translators and etiquette coaches. Not me. My translators
and coaches sound like copper buckets filled with ball
bearings rolling through gravel; leaving only my wife's
voice, which is still sultry and seductive to me [11].


Just ignorance. Why all this contempt for ignorance?

The Science of Discworld series just reeks of it. It bleeds
into some of the novels a well.

The best line in all Discworld books, so far, is "How do you
know?"

Take the excoriation of The Plague: human stupidity? Then,
think "What did they know? When did they know it?"

1894, less than three grandfathers ago, Alexandre Yersin
[12] and Shibasaburo Kitasato[13] independently (or so they
say) found the bacillus. Yersin discovered that rodents were
the mode of infection

"How do you know?"

What's really important; knowing the bacillus, or knowing
how to identify the bacillus? One will give you the other,
but the other won't give you the one.

Or knowing that cleanliness, bright, airy rooms are
healthier than dark, dank, smelly cells -- an idea
popularized by Methodists; but not really dealt with till
Prince Albert's death was attributed to bad drainage at
Windsor (or whatever) Castle).

Can't take Cleanliness too far. If a microbiologist allowed
his equipment to become contaminated today, how long would
he last? Imagine the uproar if The Guardian or Post got hold
of the story! Yet, had Fleming NOT let his become
contaminated, we'd not know
and we'd lack basic against The Plague.

"How do you know?"

Etiquette, manners, cleanliness, biology - more?

See, _Nanny Ogg's Cookbook_

Oh, yes. With the Dried Frog Pill recipe, you should double
the amount of Dried Frog. I'll triple the amount in mine.




Footneats:

[0] not Allopathy, a term was coined in 1842 by C.F.S.
Hahnemann to designate the usual practice of medicine
(allopathy) as opposed to homeopathy. Homeopathy suggested
that disease can be treated with drugs (in minute doses)
thought capable of producing the same symptoms in healthy
people as the disease itself. Homeopathy was not, at the
time, a stupid idea. Homeopathy, at the time, extended the
idea of inoculation, which Edward Jenner proved in the
1700's, four or five grandfathers ago, to drug therapy.
Inoculation introduced a tiny, hopefully weakened, pathogen
into a healthy person. Martin Gardner, _Fads and Fallacies_,
exposes modern homeopathy.

Can we understand the agony of the allalelelopathic victims?
Can we have empathy?

Our Anthropocentrism operates by Sexon exchange. Sexons:
Fundamental particles of the Six-fold symmetry. The six
particles olfactons, photons, phonons, tactons, yumons,
yuckons

DW: also has resons and republicons, Octons.

The six fold symmetry means we are essentially a Tube with
six appendages (4 limbs, head, tail) wrapped on chalk. Oh,
yes, you humans do have a tail. Bruise it and you'll find
out what it is like to have three buttocks.

The six fold symmetry governs our comprehension of space:
From any single point, there are Six ways to go: up, down,
N,S,E,W. On Discworld there are 2x4 ways: up, down,
Hubwards, Rimwards, Turnwise, Widdershins, intra-etheral
(Interesting Times), inter-etherial (Thief of Time).

To empathize with plants we'd need the cross section between
sexons and Floratons - particles carrying communitations
among plants. I have no idea how to count Floratons.

The Chalcocentric view (Chalk, Lime, Marble) has 14 symmetry
groups (at least), not just one simple sextet.



[1] Allelopathic potential of celery residues on lettuce.
Shilling, D.G.; Dusky, J.A.; Mossler, M.A.; Bewick, T.A.
Alexandria, Va. : The Society; 1992 Mar.
Journal of the American Society for Horticultural Science
v.
117 (2): p. 308-312; 1992 Mar. Includes references.


[2] I'd appreciate confirmation of this hypothesis from afp
ladies.


[3] You may think it weird for a grown man to watch a little
girl like this, and if you were doing it I'd shoot you.
Different standards apply to grandfathers. The ponies are on
the farm. So, If Grandpa (me) is not careful, he'll be asked
to be one. My back aches. But I've never yet made a "no"
stick with this granddaughter, unless it was something
suicidal. Best to keep an eye on her and her playmates
through my study window.


[4] Yea, it's true what they say [9] about men with big
feet.

[5] Or Least shrew (Cryptotus parva parva). Not a mouse or
rodent: didn't have visible ears.

[6] An unscrewed Oreo has one wafer removed

[7] In hindsight Oreos may have been a mistake, as
chocolate, or so much sugar at once might be harmful. None
of the little animals appeared injured, but that is no
guarantee they weren't.

[4x2] Science informs that the shrew ducked into a hole,
behind a leaf, or such; but that would not convey the
quickness.

[9] We wear big shoes

[10] HEY! Copy Editors of The Science of Discworld Series.
There is NO SUCH ANIMAL as a POSSUM. The Word is Opossum.
Got it? Opossum. Opossum renders a Virginia Algonquian word
with the initial O representing an unstressed phonem between
O (eau) and A (eigh).

[11] Good save, Cliff.

[12] Alexandre Yersin, Sur la peste de Hong Kong.
Communication à L'Académie des Sciences le 30-7-1894.Comptes
rendus de l'Académie des Sciences, 1894, 119: 356. La peste
bubonique à Hong Kong. Annales de l'Institut Pasteur, 1894,
8: 662-667.La peste bubonique à Hong Kong. Archives de
Médecine Navale, 1894, 62: 256-261.

[13]Shibasaburo Kitasato:
Kitasato, S. . The bacillus of bubonic plague. Lancet 1894,
2, 428-430.
Preliminary notice of the bacillus of bubonic plague.
Practitioner, 1894, 53: 311.

--
Cliff

Women regularly turn can't into can, and then from can to
can't. It has nothing to do with daylight.
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #274790 ] So, 28 Mai 2006 13:38
Steve Rogers  
"Cliff" <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote in message
news:Yydeg.312$4I3.274 [at] trndny08...

<snip>

> Water moccasin (Agkistrodon piscivorus) Does Not look like those
> low-topped slippers called moccasins. She looks like a real moccasin
> as would have been worn by Choctaw or Chippewa Amerindians who had to
> protect the leg up to the knee. A tube of skin from the leg of a deer,
> forest buffalo, or similar, peeled not slit, tanned, molded. These
> moccasins will have openings only at two ends. Toe end is carefully
> and thoroughly closed. Knee end is tied snug. So no insects can get
> inside. Vipers won't strike higher than calf.
>

Well true as one went for my wife not long ago and certainly bit at her
calf, thing is she was on horseback at the time so her calf was several
feet off the ground, fortunately the fangs did not penetrate her skin
only her footwear (which sadley succumbed to the poison) but just the
drop of venom on her skin was enough to cause her major problems for
several hours.

On a slight more pleasant digression:

Water Moccasin Recipe

Ingredients:

1oz Peach Schnapps
1oz Crown Royal Canadian Whisky (or suitable alternative)
1 dash triple sec
1oz sweet and sour mix (to make: mix approx. 8oz lemon juice and 2
tablespoons of sugar)

Directions:

Add ice and ingredients together in a shaker. Shake well until top
becomes frosted then pour into a shot glass.

Steve
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #274803 ] So, 28 Mai 2006 16:00
Arthur Hagen  
Steve Rogers <steve [at] soapietrekkers.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On a slight more pleasant digression:
>
> Water Moccasin Recipe
>
> Ingredients:
>
> 1oz Peach Schnapps
> 1oz Crown Royal Canadian Whisky (or suitable alternative)
> 1 dash triple sec
> 1oz sweet and sour mix (to make: mix approx. 8oz lemon juice and 2
> tablespoons of sugar)
>
> Directions:
>
> Add ice and ingredients together in a shaker. Shake well until top
> becomes frosted then pour into a shot glass.

To hijack this into a drink recipe thread, my invention of the week is
"Double Blue":

1 ice cube
8 cl Bombay Sapphire
8 cl Blue Jolt X2

Repeat as necessary.

It works wonders -- the extra caffeine[1] of the Jolt X2 keeps you conscious
longer, while it's not strong enough flavoured to kill the herb taste of the
Bombay Sapphire.

[1]: 140 mg per ~355 ml, where normal Jolt is 70 and Coke 55

Regards,
--
*Art
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #274829 ] So, 28 Mai 2006 20:07
Cliff  
"Steve Rogers" <steve [at] soapietrekkers.demon.co.uk> wrote in
message news:e5c230$j3d$1$8300dec7 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
>
> "Cliff" <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote in message
> news:Yydeg.312$4I3.274 [at] trndny08...
>
> <snip>
>
>>
>> Vipers won't strike higher than calf.
>>
>
> Well true as one went for my wife not long ago and
> certainly bit at her calf, thing is she was on horseback
> at the time so her calf was several feet off the ground,
> fortunately the fangs did not penetrate her skin only her
> footwear (which sadley succumbed to the poison) but just
> the drop of venom on her skin was enough to cause her
> major problems for several hours.
>

Some critters just will not read the manual, and won't learn
proper behavior.

> On a slight more pleasant digression:
>
> Water Moccasin Recipe
>

> Ingredients:
>
> 1oz Peach Schnapps
> 1oz Crown Royal Canadian Whisky (or suitable alternative)
> 1 dash triple sec
> 1oz sweet and sour mix (to make: mix approx. 8oz lemon
> juice and 2 tablespoons of sugar)
>
> Directions:
>
> Add ice and ingredients together in a shaker. Shake well
> until top becomes frosted then pour into a shot glass.
>
> Steve

Good one. Try it with a little pinch of allspice and I think
you'll find you have another good recipe.
--
Cliff

"I think it's a difficult, brainracking, overworked, and
thoroughly ungrateful office, and the main bulk of its wages
is a sore heart and a bruised spirit." - Mark Twain, _The
American Claimant_, 1869
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275051 ] Di, 30 Mai 2006 00:43
Lesley Weston  
in article WFleg.2688$HV1.2439 [at] trndny01, Cliff at jcp3 [at] space.com wrote on
28/05/2006 11:07 AM:

>
> "Steve Rogers" <steve [at] soapietrekkers.demon.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:e5c230$j3d$1$8300dec7 [at] news.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> "Cliff" <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote in message
>> news:Yydeg.312$4I3.274 [at] trndny08...
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>>
>>> Vipers won't strike higher than calf.
>>>
>>
>> Well true as one went for my wife not long ago and
>> certainly bit at her calf, thing is she was on horseback
>> at the time so her calf was several feet off the ground,
>> fortunately the fangs did not penetrate her skin only her
>> footwear (which sadley succumbed to the poison) but just
>> the drop of venom on her skin was enough to cause her
>> major problems for several hours.
>>
>
> Some critters just will not read the manual, and won't learn
> proper behavior.

There's a song (Australian I think) about a man-eating shark:

....

But it must said
He was perfectly bred
And would eat neither woman nor child...

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275062 ] Di, 30 Mai 2006 02:01
redtiger  
"Cliff" <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote in message news:Yydeg.312$4I3.274 [at] trndny08...

<huge snippage>

> [10] HEY! Copy Editors of The Science of Discworld Series. There is NO
> SUCH ANIMAL as a POSSUM. The Word is Opossum. Got it? Opossum. Opossum
> renders a Virginia Algonquian word with the initial O representing an
> unstressed phonem between O (eau) and A (eigh).
>

I give you the Australian Brushtail Possum.

http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/wildlife/slideshow/ss08.html

One O, after the P, where it belongs. :-)

Anthony

--
See a pin and pick it up, and all day long
you'll be looking for the hand grenade.
ISIHAC
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275078 ] Di, 30 Mai 2006 07:27
Cliff  
"redtiger" <redtigeriiSPAM [at] iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:447b8b46$0$7836$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "Cliff" <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote in message
> news:Yydeg.312$4I3.274 [at] trndny08...
>
> <huge snippage>
>
>> [10] HEY! Copy Editors of The Science of Discworld
>> Series. There is NO SUCH ANIMAL as a POSSUM. The Word is
>> Opossum. Got it? Opossum. Opossum renders a Virginia
>> Algonquian word with the initial O representing an
>> unstressed phonem between O (eau) and A (eigh).
>>
>
> I give you the Australian Brushtail Possum.
>
> http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/wildlife/slideshow/ss08.html
>
> One O, after the P, where it belongs. :-)
>
That makes sense to me. It would be unlikely to find
Algonquians in Australia.

You've caught me in a case where I was Entirely, Totally,
and Egregiously Wrong. In the one case where I thought to
call attention to copy editors' error, It was I, not they,
who was wrong. Pfeui.

The text of The Science of Discworld uses the word opossums,
spelled correctly (_The Science of Discworld_. Terry
Pratchett, Ian Stewart, Jack Cohen (Doubleday, 1999). p.
262)

Walt Kelly uses 'possum as well as opossum. I'd accept him
as authority if you really must get rid of the O.

This is relevant because

Walt Kelly presents a precursor of The Luggage, namely a
pirate chest with feet (only 4 feet, not hundres) that
scares females into unconsciousness and chases the wicked
characters in _Pogo: Prisoner Of Love_, Walt Kelly (Simon
and Schuster, New York, 1969), p. 98-99. It is available
through inter-library loan.

Losing the O from Opossum would erase one of the very few
vestiges of Algonquin remaining to the language.

--
Cliff

"looking about as lively as a fighting kangaroo in London in
fog-fime." - Henry Lawson, "Stiffner and Jim"

Jade figurine: - Squeaky room
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275173 ] Di, 30 Mai 2006 22:02
Rocky Frisco  
redtiger wrote:

> "Cliff" <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote in message news:Yydeg.312$4I3.274 [at] trndny08...
>
> <huge snippage>
>
>>[10] HEY! Copy Editors of The Science of Discworld Series. There is NO
>>SUCH ANIMAL as a POSSUM. The Word is Opossum. Got it? Opossum. Opossum
>>renders a Virginia Algonquian word with the initial O representing an
>>unstressed phonem between O (eau) and A (eigh).
>>
>
>
> I give you the Australian Brushtail Possum.
>
> http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/wildlife/slideshow/ss08.html
>
> One O, after the P, where it belongs. :-)

he's MUCH to pretty to be a real official Possum.

'Merkin possums look like rats from hell.

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275177 ] Di, 30 Mai 2006 22:11
Rocky Frisco  
Cliff wrote:

> "redtiger" <redtigeriiSPAM [at] iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:447b8b46$0$7836$5a62ac22 [at] per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
>>"Cliff" <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote in message
>>news:Yydeg.312$4I3.274 [at] trndny08...
>>
>><huge snippage>
>>
>>>[10] HEY! Copy Editors of The Science of Discworld
>>>Series. There is NO SUCH ANIMAL as a POSSUM. The Word is
>>>Opossum. Got it? Opossum. Opossum renders a Virginia
>>>Algonquian word with the initial O representing an
>>>unstressed phonem between O (eau) and A (eigh).
>>>
>>
>>I give you the Australian Brushtail Possum.
>>
>>http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/wildlife/slideshow/ss08.html
>>
>>One O, after the P, where it belongs. :-)
>>
>
> That makes sense to me. It would be unlikely to find
> Algonquians in Australia.
>
> You've caught me in a case where I was Entirely, Totally,
> and Egregiously Wrong. In the one case where I thought to
> call attention to copy editors' error, It was I, not they,
> who was wrong. Pfeui.
>
> The text of The Science of Discworld uses the word opossums,
> spelled correctly (_The Science of Discworld_. Terry
> Pratchett, Ian Stewart, Jack Cohen (Doubleday, 1999). p.
> 262)
>
> Walt Kelly uses 'possum as well as opossum. I'd accept him
> as authority if you really must get rid of the O.
>
> This is relevant because
>
> Walt Kelly presents a precursor of The Luggage, namely a
> pirate chest with feet (only 4 feet, not hundres) that
> scares females into unconsciousness and chases the wicked
> characters in _Pogo: Prisoner Of Love_, Walt Kelly (Simon
> and Schuster, New York, 1969), p. 98-99. It is available
> through inter-library loan.
>
> Losing the O from Opossum would erase one of the very few
> vestiges of Algonquin remaining to the language.

Waltus Kellyus! Yes I remembers him!

He was the artist who did Pog Opossum, no?

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275267 ] Mi, 31 Mai 2006 08:55
redtiger  
"Rocky Frisco" <rocknatural [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:sx1fg.205814$5Z.169324 [at] dukeread02...
> redtiger wrote:
>
>> "Cliff" <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote in message
>> news:Yydeg.312$4I3.274 [at] trndny08...
>>
>> <huge snippage>
>>
>>>[10] HEY! Copy Editors of The Science of Discworld Series. There is NO
>>>SUCH ANIMAL as a POSSUM. The Word is Opossum. Got it? Opossum. Opossum
>>>renders a Virginia Algonquian word with the initial O representing an
>>>unstressed phonem between O (eau) and A (eigh).
>>>
>>
>>
>> I give you the Australian Brushtail Possum.
>>
>> http://www.parks.tas.gov.au/wildlife/slideshow/ss08.html
>>
>> One O, after the P, where it belongs. :-)
>
> he's MUCH to pretty to be a real official Possum.
>
> 'Merkin possums look like rats from hell.
>

I know, which is why when Dame Edna Everidge says "hello possums" to an
American audience, it probably isn't taken as the compliment it was meant
as.

Anthony

--
Intolerance will not be tolerated.
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275271 ] Mi, 31 Mai 2006 09:35
Cliff  
"Rocky Frisco" <rocknatural [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:EF1fg.205818$5Z.64938 [at] dukeread02...
> Cliff wrote:
>
>>>
>>><huge snippage>
>>>
>
> Waltus Kellyus! Yes I remembers him!
>
> He was the artist who did Pog Opossum, no?
>
> -Rocky

That's the guy. One of those cartoonists, like Berkely
Breathed, Bill Watterson and Charles Schulz: Cartoonist,
artist, philosopher. Most famous and most mischaracterized
line , I guess, is "We have met the enemy and he is us!",
August 8, 1970, collected in _Impollutable Pogo_. The line
is often mischaracterized as being about war. It wasn't. It
was about pollution, which seemed an insurmountable problem
in th 60's.

These days we all know the solution [A] to pollution

Build a lot of Wind Farms [B]

Blow it all over France [C]

And chop up all the sea birds in the meantime.[F]

[A] not true

[B] Yea, right. Now, I'm not so sure about all the processes
that cause wind: the equitorial terminator moves
supersonically (>1000 miles per hour (in metric units this
is "very fast")), Boston Baked Beans, Bermuda High [D], and
so on. But I do know something about farming by having
avoided making a living by it for over fifty years [E]. But
I do know Wind Does Not Grow On Farms. [F]

And are we really sure that taking the kinetic energy from
the wind at point X will not harm point Y?

It's a bit like water. HydElec dams take kinetic energy from
the down stream water so where there was swift current,
suitable for smallmouth bass and trout (where temp is less
than 70F), there's now stagnant yuck suitable for carp.

I ain't done with Etiquette, Yet, but no one's commented on
the Standards.

Here's a note I jotted on my palm in the Okefenokee (while
waiting for a fellow to be pulled from the muck (Our Guides
constantly reminded us to test the ground with our walking
sticks. But we'd forget now and then. Being shaped like
Sgt. Colon, saved him. There are places where there is no
visible, olfactory or auditory difference between firm
ground and muck ten feet (3 meters) deep. You have to poke
it with a stick to make sure. And, yes, sometimes it pokes
you back.)

The note shows the relation of <whatever I like: Etiquette,
Energy Robbed Airs> to Chaos Theoree (Populized version of
Chaos Theory. Theoree is the version you would read in the
science sections of The Times, New York Times, Guardian,
etc. Theoree is not as idiotic as Theeree, which is what you
get in the National Enquirer, Sun [UK], Sun [Baltimore],
Globe, etc.).

Start with one we know: Significant butterfly flutters its
wings in significant ways, and Gales Cause Road Chaos
Throughout Britain.

That implies the second:

(Morally upright moth is a moth living in woods or shrubs
doing little damage and mainly making food for cute animals
like songbirds, shrews, and very highly dedicated
naturists -- the Rincewinds of our world; not the degenerate
moths that skulk in closets turning beutiful gowns into ugh.
The only redeeming feature of the degenerate in-the-closet
moths is that they also destroy tuxedos.)

Morally upright moth does significant moral mothy things;
and Great Weather Causes Economic Chaos Throughout Britain
because so many people call off sick to enjoy it.

My personal observation provides the third: Mobile, Alabama,
the glebe (big lawn with some trees, and an asphault paved
path for wheelchair access) of Trinity Church, with a raptor
(I say Osprey, my brother says Kite, could be Erne?)
cruising not far overhead.

The significant flying squirrel leaps from the magnolia,
skims low over the grass,
catches the thermals over the asphault wheelchair path,
soars up into the branches of the of the live oak tree,
turns to jeer at the raptor that has crashed onto the grass;
And, Road Chaos Occurs Throughout Britain For No Particular
Reason.

Explain: Usually there is a reason for Road Chaos: highway
construction, weather, time of day called rush hour,
sporting events people are trying to get to, music
concert(s) people are trying to get away from, police
traffic calming operations, emus and ostriches in the
roadway, family of ducks crossing the road, etc. [All these
I have personally read in British newspapers, and I am not
making them up, except the emus and ostrich incident. That
one occured in Falls Church, Virginia. The birds escaped
from an bird ranch and somehow got onto I-495]

It is very rare for road problems to be caused by just too
many people using the road for too many different reasons.

It is very rare for a flying squirrel to take to the air
when any large bird is near.

(Big birds love flying squirrels and will sometimes risk
broken wings slamming through the small branches of a tree
to tell one so. It is not unusual for a flying squirrel to
learn the location of, and use, thermals. Australia's flying
phalanger (a marsupial) does the same according to my
questionable sources.)

Hence, the two must be related.

Fourth: The world famous author does significant world
famous authorly things; and Puppies Sprinkle All Over
Britain.

These 4 demonstrate the relation of <whatever> to Chaos
Theoree (the popularized version of Chaos Theory).


[C] The fans on the wind farms point towards France. Look at
the maps. Some point at Benelux, but most point at France.

[D] Sounds like an illegal drug, but it really is an
atmospheric phenomenobobbly

[E] False. Thirty-nine and holding.

[F] Grows in activists

[F] Creating a monumental bio-hazard of dead bird bits.

I'm not really as hostile to Wind Farms as the above humor
suggests. I am hostile to the notion that they can build the
turbines and towers so strong they will withstand tornadoes
and sudden gusts. Build'em cheap. Let the big blows
trash'em. Scrap'em. Rebuild. And offer lots of money to
whoever can prove a way (noise, lights, cage around the
turbine blades, or something no one has thought of yet) to
keep the birds away.

NASA has a lot of money for the person or persons who can
demonstrate some way of making the birds go away for a few
minutes before launch. (After launch starts there is no
animal behavioral problem because any bird far enough away
to survive blast off, will hurry to safety.) It is bad PR on
those splendid live shots, when the weather is Florida
perfect, beautiful, sunny, one or two cotton ball clouds,
birds soaring lazily over the launch pad, then the grandeur
of the launch with its thunder and glory; then the
realization of what just happened to those lovely bird.
That's bad PR.

--
Cliff

"Some trails are happy trails, others are blue. It's the way
you ride the trail that counts..." - Dale Evans
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275351 ] Mi, 31 Mai 2006 16:40
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Rocky Frisco wrote:

> 'Merkin possums look like rats from hell.

We had this thread a month and a half ago, when I posted this:
http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/biodiversity/possums.html

Adrian.
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #275410 ] Mi, 31 Mai 2006 20:49
Rocky Frisco  
8'FED wrote:

> Rocky Frisco wrote:
>
>
>>'Merkin possums look like rats from hell.
>
>
> We had this thread a month and a half ago, when I posted this:
> http://www.environment.sa.gov.au/biodiversity/possums.html

Compare that sweet fuzzy critter with a 'Merkin 'Possum:

http://dnr.wi.gov/org/caer/ce/eek/critter/mammal/opossum.htm

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an opossum
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #278826 ] Mo, 05 Juni 2006 12:04
stigmov  
On 2006-05-28, Cliff <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote:
>
> Or knowing that cleanliness, bright, airy rooms are
> healthier than dark, dank, smelly cells -- an idea
> popularized by Methodists; but not really dealt with till
> Prince Albert's death was attributed to bad drainage at
> Windsor (or whatever) Castle).

This reminds me of an article I recently read in Scientific
American[1] about the health dangers of those newfangled
electric lights if used in people's homes. The theory is
this: Gas lights and candles create heat which makes air
rise locally, leading to the air in the room circulating
and mixing. If we now replace those gas lights with electric
ones, the air will not be stirred in the same way and bad
air will stay at head heigth causing respiratory diseases.

[1] Not to be confused with "read in a recent issue of
Scientific American". Unfortunately I cannot find the
article now, but I believe it was from the 1890s sometime.

--
Stig M. Valstad

"Is there a message here for society?
I think there isn't." Alexei Sayle
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #279140 ] Di, 06 Juni 2006 03:17
Rocky Frisco  
Stig M. Valstad wrote:
> On 2006-05-28, Cliff <jcp3 [at] space.com> wrote:
>
>>Or knowing that cleanliness, bright, airy rooms are
>>healthier than dark, dank, smelly cells -- an idea
>>popularized by Methodists; but not really dealt with till
>>Prince Albert's death was attributed to bad drainage at
>>Windsor (or whatever) Castle).
>
>
> This reminds me of an article I recently read in Scientific
> American[1] about the health dangers of those newfangled
> electric lights if used in people's homes. The theory is
> this: Gas lights and candles create heat which makes air
> rise locally, leading to the air in the room circulating
> and mixing. If we now replace those gas lights with electric
> ones, the air will not be stirred in the same way and bad
> air will stay at head heigth causing respiratory diseases.
>
> [1] Not to be confused with "read in a recent issue of
> Scientific American". Unfortunately I cannot find the
> article now, but I believe it was from the 1890s sometime.

My mother sold our "Book of Knowledge" encyclopedia some years back. I
regret that, since I recall reading the explanation of why there would
never be heavier-than-air aircraft, but didn't completely understand the
article. Now that the book is gone, I guess I'll never know.

-Rocky
--
O'Toole's Corollary: Murphy was an optimist.
Re: [I] Nanny Ogg's Etiquette - RFC Standards of Etiquette [message #280076 ] Di, 06 Juni 2006 10:40
Torak  
Rocky Frisco wrote:
>
> My mother sold our "Book of Knowledge" encyclopedia some years back. I
> regret that, since I recall reading the explanation of why there would
> never be heavier-than-air aircraft, but didn't completely understand the
> article. Now that the book is gone, I guess I'll never know.

Well, strictly speaking they're right. Modern aircraft are lighter than
air when in flight, at least net weight, taking lift into account... ;-)

Well, sort of. :-p
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